At Oxford’s Ashmolean Museum – amidst the sturm und drang of impending doom rendered on album sleeves, the swashing dollops of tempera and gouache paints liberally utilized to Covid-era canvases, the black-spider scribbles in notebooks belonging to considered one of our best and most confounding lyricists – there’s a splendidly deadpan piece of writing. It is a part of an prolonged textual content below one of many big, wall-hung photographs that characterise ‘This Is What You Get’, a capacious and vibrant and sensible new exhibition of the work of Radiohead’s Thom Yorke and his visible artist collaborator Stanley Donwood.
Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, The Bends, 1995. Album cowl
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
‘Donwood’s preliminary concept for the album cowl,’ runs the caption beneath the pair’s sleeve paintings for Hail to the Thief (2003), ‘was to create huge topiary phalluses, and digitally introduce them into the gardens owned by the Nationwide Belief, however Yorke was unconvinced.’
‘Hahahahah!’ says Yorke with a burst of laughter after I learn that again to him. Why, one wonders, was he so unconvinced?
‘It was a short dialog when Mr Donwood arrived in Los Angeles,’ the musician, 56, replies of the buddy, actual identify Dan Rickwood, he met within the early Nineties throughout their time as artwork college students at Exeter College, and with whom he makes all of the visuals for Radiohead, for he and guitarist Jonny Greenwood’s different band The Smile, and for his solo tasks. ‘He walked into the [recording] studio, sat down and began saying this. I had 5 minutes of panic.’

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, Check Print – Glamour, 2000
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
‘Yeah, as a result of we had been supposed to construct the paintings in two weeks,’ replies Donwood, three weeks youthful than Yorke. ‘However I did not understand how to do that, make this occur. I had joined the Nationwide Belief, although.’
‘The very first thing I stated to you, even earlier than I stated, “I do not assume that is going to work”, was one thing like: “Do not we want three or 4 years to develop it?”’
‘Effectively, it was all gonna be about hen wire and astroturf,’ clarifies Donwood. ‘I used to be gonna cheat.’
Yorke: ‘Oh, OK, ha ha!’

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, web page from a pocket book, 1996-98
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
Thirty years right into a artistic partnership that started after they co-created the quilt artwork for Radiohead’s 1995 album The Bends (they snuck into Oxford’s John Radcliffe hospital to {photograph} an iron lung however ended up snapping a resuscitation dummy), Yorke and Donwood are nonetheless making one another snicker. Nonetheless making one another assume. Nonetheless making one another step out of their consolation zone. And that features right this moment, with the pair yielding to one thing on which they’re hardly super-keen: an interview. Individually? Not going, mate. Collectively, solely for Wallpaper*? Oh, go on then…
An unique dialog with Radiohead’s Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, Pacific Coast, 2003
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
Wallpaper*: Thom, why undergo a five-month exhibition, in an august establishment, that lifts the lid on one side of your creativity – and that has, as you have put it, ‘taken every part’ out of you?
Thom Yorke: Submit, ha ha. Submit being the phrase. Um… I believe we had been as curious as everyone else, actually, about it… It was a slow-burning course of from after we had been going to do a Child A set up [in 2020 for the album’s 20th anniversary]. Then that grew to become a sport…

Thom Yorke, pocket book that includes lyrics for Karma Police, 1995
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
Stanley Donwood: …due to Coronavirus. We had been speaking to all these locations, just like the V&A and the Albert Corridor. It was actually fascinating.
TY: It was actually fascinating arising in opposition to the municipalities as effectively. Anyway, oomph, dodged that one. However then, as a sensible concept, it was bananas anyway. However we would completed all these digital mock-ups, which we’re form of into. What that meant was we had been compelled to go and catalogue [that] interval of our work. Go and discover all of the books. Go and discover all of the scraps of paper. Go discover the recordsdata and all that kind of shit.
That very slowly morphed into form of an exhibition… An set up grew to become an exhibition grew to become an archiving course of. And the archiving course of grew to become form of fascinating, though I used to be all the time very apprehensive. [I remember] PTA – [film director] Paul Thomas Anderson – saying to me: ‘Do not look backwards, it hurts.’ However on the similar time, it was weirdly fascinating.

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, Untitled, 1997
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: You have talked of the time round 1997’s OK Pc as ‘an odd time for me personally… of residing in a bubble… touring endlessly… feeling like every part was transferring too quick’. I see that mirrored within the cowl paintings, which relies partly round images you took of motorways and a freeway interchange in Connecticut. In that very trendy parlance, how triggering of these emotions is it to see these photographs now, in massive scale, within the Ashmolean?
TY: I would not say it is triggering, as a result of, the truth is, it was fairly cathartic. After we completed [the OK Computer artwork], I felt it was a fairly good full cease over that interval. It is like: that is what it was like. Though it is kind of nonsense, for some purpose it stated what we would have liked to say.
SD: There was an outline of [that] paintings in a newspaper. One thing like: ‘It nearly seems to be prefer it means one thing’. Which I assumed was fucking sensible. Faint reward!
TY: Ha ha, damned with body reward. As regular.
‘We had these enormous canvases, and it was this concept of constructing enormous, gestural marks. However I used to be all the time aware that [the work] was going to be reproduced at 12 centimetres sq. on a CD cowl’
Stanley Donwood

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, Get Out Earlier than Saturday, 2000
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: Dan, for Child A, you introduced in enormous, six-feet-square canvases and used Artex and palette knives. In what manner was {that a} response to – or perhaps a pre-figuring of – the music that Thom and the band had been making – with, infamously, no little issue – for that album?
SD: I do not know. We rented a little bit artwork studio in a freezing chilly warehouse. We had these enormous canvases, and it was this concept of constructing enormous, gestural marks. However I used to be all the time aware that [the work] was going to be reproduced at 12 centimetres sq. on a CD cowl. So that you could not clearly pack so much in there. And the music was occurring on the similar time. Then we moved the studio to the place the band had been working.
TY: It was a extremely, actually lengthy course of. And there was a lot of totally different flailing round. Identical with the recordings. And producing a variety of issues that made completely no sense in any respect. Till you begin wanting again at it. There was this half the place Dan was transferring these canvases into the principle studio and hanging them in the event that they had been unfinished. That was an actual [lightbulb] level. That coincided with us lastly getting the beginnings of sure songs and preparations. However, you understand, that was months and months and months.

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, The King Of Limbs, 2011
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: In distinction, the preliminary impetus behind the next-but-one album, Hail to the Thief (2003), was to make it actually rapidly – two weeks in Los Angeles was the preliminary concept. You have stated, Thom: ‘I used to be writing stuff that I would not usually write lyrically as a result of I did not actually have time to consider it.’ As soon as you bought previous Dan’s topiary knobs, had been there parallels with the paintings that was ultimately created?
SD: I used to be very unfamiliar with Los Angeles. It should not actually be there, as a result of the local weather and the panorama are fairly tough for humanity. And we went there, we went to this lodge – and we’re in a desert, mainly – and also you go for a piss, and there is enormous urinals full of ice. Frozen water! In a desert! It felt like an extremely decadent atmosphere.

London Views (6 of 14), 2005-6
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
And there is a variety of plastic. A number of merchandise from oil all over the place. All the colors that we used within the paints are coal tar dyes and synthetic colors – chemically made colors. And all over the place there are such a lot of phrases, on all the adverts. Even little indicators on lawns that say ‘armed response’. You are like, fucking hell, for what, strolling on the grass? It is very heavy.
So I used to be writing all these things down, and the primary couple of work had been simply fully coated in all these phrases, ripped down whereas going via town.

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, OK Pc, 1997
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)

Stanley Donwood, Meteor Oligarchy, 2007
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: To digress to the terrific new Hail to the Thief stay album: Thom, you went again into Radiohead’s archives as you labored on the Royal Shakespeare Firm’s latest Hamlet/Hail to the Thief piece. What had been you on the lookout for, and what did you discover?
TY: Clearly it is a bizarre factor anyway, to attempt to discover different individuals to play the band’s songs. However there was one thing about listening to the stay recordings that made no matter that tune was a little bit bit extra fluid. Rather less mounted. Rather less ‘no, it have to be precisely like this’ or ‘the sound have to be precisely like on the document’. All that stuff.

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, poster
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
As a result of after we do our stay reveals, it is tough and prepared. We do not spend – we did not spend – a variety of time. It was simply [a case of] no matter we had, we would use. A DIY kind of mentality of enjoying the songs stay. Which, you understand, works.
So there was a sure vitality that I wanted to seek out. As a result of one of many issues that was arising whereas we had been prepping the Hamlet factor was looking for frenetic vitality. One thing that was vaguely troubling in the best way the music can be performed. And weirdly, I discovered that the stay performances that I acquired despatched from the archive had far more of that than the document. They appeared to go well with this fairly wrought way of thinking, the place there is a kind of simmering anger – but it surely’s misdirected and it is confused and it is misplaced. It is exhausting to pin down, but it surely had extra of the best kind of vitality. It was then actually inspiring, as a result of I might go to this new set of musicians and say: ‘Hear, it isn’t in regards to the particulars of this. It is about this.’ It was simply fairly eye-opening.

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, OK Pc, 1997
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: Within the 30 years because you co-created the visuals for The Bends, album paintings has shrunk and shrivelled even farther from the gaze. Now we do not even maintain it in little plastic circumstances. We’d see it simply as a postage stamp illustration on our most popular streaming platform as we hearken to this or that document. How is that diminishing impacting your views on the way you make the artwork to accompany the music?
SD: We have all the time had this concept that, in the event you can see it throughout the document store as a 12-inch-size image, you are solely seeing it as a little bit fingernail. And also you go in the direction of that in the event you’re attracted by it. So we have all the time tried to make one thing that appears fascinating sufficient to go in the direction of – after which hopefully choose up.
‘The streaming factor… the truth that you simply get a thumbnail of the picture, it appears to be designed to make you not give a fuck. Which is a disgrace’
Thom Yorke

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, Wall of Eyes, 2023
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
TY: Additionally, the streaming factor on this context, it is extra just like the radio. The expertise of utilizing it’s extra like a radio within the background, quite than you actually having a robust reference to what you are listening to. As you say, the truth that you simply get a thumbnail of the picture, it appears to be designed to make you not give a fuck.
Which is a disgrace. It provides you that sense of an limitless stream of fabric which is all equitable. The identical. Which isn’t the expertise you’ll have gotten in a document store. Or not the expertise once you go round to your mate’s home they usually play you some obscure jazz document from the Seventies. That is not what that’s. It is helpful, but it surely’s like an interim expertise.

Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke, Soken Fen, 2013
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
‘I assume what’s vital is the query of whether or not it issues, the visible ingredient for an artist that goes together with their music’
Thom Yorke
W*: That stated, as everyone knows, vinyl is making a (expensive) comeback…
TY: I simply consistently really feel like there’s one other expertise coming across the nook. I do not really feel like that is it, you understand? Clearly, yeah, the revival of vinyl gross sales helps so much. However I assume what’s vital is the query of whether or not it issues, the visible ingredient for an artist that goes together with their music. [Are we] freaks on the finish of the cycle, or in the midst of one other cycle that we do not perceive? It is the identical making movies, the place you expend a variety of effort and time making one, after which they’re like: ‘OK, so can we now have the 15-second minimize down for TikTok?’ And you are like: ‘Er…!’
It is all the identical form of issues the place [you think]: ought to I get upset about this? Or ought to I simply stick with it? I believe I will simply stick with it. As a result of, in a manner, there is a compulsion to make this work. And there is a compulsion to see the 2 hitting, banging in opposition to one another. And it is actually vital to us. In order that’s all we all know, actually.

Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, Heavy Snowfall on Home, 1995
(Picture credit score: Stanley Donwood and Thom Yorke)
W*: What would possibly the artwork for the subsequent Radiohead album seem like?
TY: [mirthless but playful] Ha ha ha ha ha. Shifting on!
W*: I do know you are getting again into the portray studio this autumn. It might be remiss of me to not ask when Radiohead are getting again within the recording studio.
TY: I do not know. Not on the playing cards from the place I am sitting.
SD: [In terms of the art] I’ve acquired a number of concepts that truly by no means made it very far. Did I point out about how I joined the Nationwide Belief…? [The topiary] continues to be there, nonetheless acquired it…
TY: We have got lumps of it out again!
‘That is what you get’ is on show at Ashmolean till 11 January 2026, ashmolean.org
Supply: Wallpaper